FlightNight May 9th - Virtual Tiger Meet!

07 May 2020 12:55 #46304 by timi
Personally I'm having a better day any time geed has potato, fridge and flying in the same sentence. :lol:
But that's just me. Peace!

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07 May 2020 13:07 #46305 by eagle12
hahaha Timi :lol:

Now living comes in the hut.

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07 May 2020 13:16 #46306 by enrogue
Trial & error discovered start for original F-4E_ADTW:

RH console:

- set both gen to ext

LH console:
- set both engine master to on
- set CADC/NORM to reset (you'll hear the starters spin up)
- the green light will go on for the engine starters
- select left & right engine start

RH console (when all spun up):
- set both gen to on

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07 May 2020 13:23 - 07 May 2020 13:36 #46307 by eagle12
exactly Enrogue

but also works without

RH console:

- set both gen to ext
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08 May 2020 09:45 #46343 by Avionyx
Thanks for your help guys, I can finally get this thing started now.
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08 May 2020 11:10 #46346 by eagle12
# topic yasim F4

Is my update yasim really more realistic than that from the author Uchida?

The F4 was nicknamed the flying brick by the pilots of the US Air Force and the nickname iron pig by the German Air Force pilots.

What should these nicknames associate?

The F4 was not particularly good in maneuverability. For example, the MiG-21 was generally considered to be more agile than the F4. Of course, the F4 also has a lot of positive features related to its history.
Statistically speaking, the F4 is said to be the safest military aircraft ever. Combat losses are of course not included.

Is that the point (maneuverability) that the author Uchida wanted to simulate with his FDM?
And the comparison of a flying potato fits the nicknames listed above.
But that doesn't have to mean Uchida's FDM is very bad.

Of course you can discuss whether he didn't simulate it too much.
But I can't judge that.
At least I think that author Uchida thought about it and that maybe an opinion will be reached too quickly, but that is bad.

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08 May 2020 12:03 #46348 by StuartC
It had the turn radius of a small moon in orbit, but in flat line performance that big wing was very good at supporting heavy loads. The drawback wqwas in tight turns ( or should I say attempting tight turns ) it would bleed speed at an alarming rate.

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08 May 2020 12:33 #46351 by enrogue
There's a couple of things you can do with the FDM if you want to:

- combine all the wing sections using the latest yasim capability from Henning - this will give you a better idea of where the CG should be, as well as a proper calculation of ground effect by yasim in sim

see wiki.flightgear.org/YASim#Wing_Section_Support

- add an atsfc setting to the engines & update the tsfc setting (later yasim has both)

atsfc is listed just below tsfc in the above page - it was introduced in 2016.3.1

I'm not seeing the spoilers working with the new fdm so I guess the animations need updating as well

We could put together an updated FDM & animations, fork Hitoshi-san's repo & submit a merge request?

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08 May 2020 12:37 #46352 by Porcius
Don't forget -

'The world's largest distributor of Mig parts'

And of course 'Old smokey'

Porcius

Lightning DOES strike twice.

Watchmen Quote - "I am looking at the stars.... Thier light takes so long to reach us. All we ever see of Stars are thier old photographs"

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08 May 2020 12:39 #46353 by Avionyx
and the Royal Navy variants with their Spey's

"What happens when you spey a cat? They get heavy, fat in the arse and refuse to move much more than in a straight line....what happens when you Spey a phantom..."
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08 May 2020 12:44 #46355 by enrogue
I wonder what the RAF crews thought of the F.3/F-4J (UK) vs the Spey Phantoms?

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08 May 2020 14:38 #46358 by StuartC
Im a member of the uk phantom group on FB. Mostly they held it in fairly high regard, although if anyone says the looped one, its a case of proove it or it didnt happen. I think they could loop, but required a lot of flat line speed in the first place, and a lot of airspace beyond that.
Testing the Spey engines on US carriers was dropped after they started melting the deck.

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08 May 2020 14:48 #46359 by Avionyx
Reading a book by Tony Blackman at the moment and he mentions that the Speyed phantoms were actually much better as a carrier aircraft than the non spey variants. Acceleration and overall power availability did a huge amount for the aircraft.
The letdown was it added weight to an already heavy airframe and you needed to manage that carefully.

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08 May 2020 15:01 #46361 by Porcius

StuartC wrote: Testing the Spey engines on US carriers was dropped after they started melting the deck.


Haha - Cheap American steel :evil:

Managed to propel Thrust SSC to Mach 1.02 in the desert though...

Cool stuff.

Porcy

Lightning DOES strike twice.

Watchmen Quote - "I am looking at the stars.... Thier light takes so long to reach us. All we ever see of Stars are thier old photographs"

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08 May 2020 15:16 #46363 by Algernon
This thread is getting a little out of hand now, chaps - perhaps someone could start a separate post for the F-4 discussion as that and other deviations have added about a page to the Tigermeet thread. Thankee :)

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The latest update of the EF2000 has now been published in the hangar. I'll be bringing it tomorrow so please grab a copy beforehand to get the full MP experience. Links to downloads are in this post.

Much obliged!
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08 May 2020 20:35 #46389 by sanni
Here is the tiger-livery for the huey.
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08 May 2020 20:45 #46390 by Avionyx
With all the additions etc, perhaps edit the first post with a list of aircraft / customisations that need to be downloaded for the full experience?

Here's the F4-EJ with Eagles custom livery
drive.google.com/open?id=1p_xEDEv85Y6_S50pWhado4qQTsmtb6BE

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08 May 2020 21:57 #46391 by thebroons
Here's a wee scenario file to put up some TM signs at EGUL Nods / kudos to Algy for that.

drive.google.com/drive/folders/117v7lw2g...2ddLKb5l907Gi5hxJeWX

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Any stairway is a stairway to heaven if you’re clumsy enough.
If your shirt isn’t tucked into your pants, your pants are tucked into your shirt.
Your stomach thinks all potatoes are mashed.
Most of the sky is actually below your feet.
The object of golf is to play the least amount of golf.

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08 May 2020 23:30 #46393 by enrogue
F-5E is just about ready to release - just waiting for timi :)
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08 May 2020 23:32 #46394 by Algernon

Avionyx wrote: With all the additions etc, perhaps edit the first post with a list of aircraft / customisations that need to be downloaded for the full experience?


I think that's a great idea. Perhaps all of us with the ability to edit can help out, as there's quite a lot...

The scenario Gary mentions is indeed wee, more wee than I had intended and only contains a few welcoming signposts. I had hoped it would have some other clever tricks, but ran out of development time. So grab it and run it by all means, but don't expect a lot! ?

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